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Re: Can the captions page be corrected?

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From: L Snider
Date: May 8, 2020 9:55AM

Hi Sean,

Great question. As far as I know, and please others chime in if I am wrong,
it works the same way as a layer that is there for you to turn off and on.
Also the BBC iPlayer has not only audio description you can toggle on and
off but sign language as well (although I have not yet come across a show
that has used the latter, if anyone has, please let me know!). I believe
theirs was home grown and seems to work the same way, as it can be toggled
mid program or scene.

Cheers

Lisa

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:15 PM Murphy, Sean <
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> Lisa,
>
> Then how does Netflix and Apple streaming do it? Your not running a
> different video. You can turn off the audio streaming half way through the
> show if you want. I was under the impression there was a different
> streaming protocol for audio and captions.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
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> HTML 5 players are the way to go to be more fully accessible. For example,
> AblePlayer allows for one video, and a audio description (AD) track,
> captions track, text transcripts track and even a sign language track. I
> can them tracks but they can be layered or not, depending on the user's
> preferences.
>
> I wish YouTube (and don't even get me started on Vimeo) would allow for
> this, it would give people more options. Even though they do a bit of AD in
> videos that are automatically captioned (AD in the captions). Right now the
> only way to do true AD (or sign language, etc.) in things like YouTube is
> to make different videos.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:45 PM Jared Smith < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > > Hello all - when reviewing the page about captions, transcripts, and
> > audio descriptions (https://webaim.org/techniques/captions), this
> > "important" notation was displayed: In order to be fully accessible to
> > the maximum number of users, web multimedia should include both
> > synchronized captions AND a descriptive transcript.
> > >
> > > However, per WCAG AA 2.0, multimedia is NOT FULLY ACCESSIBLE unless
> > > it
> > also includes Audio/Video Descriptions (AD).
> >
> > Correct. The sentence you are referring to is within the section on
> > captions and transcripts. Audio descriptions are covered later in the
> > page. It wouldn't make sense to discuss the necessity of audio
> > descriptions before they have even been introduced.
> >
> > > Of course, there are some instances where ADs are not required like
> > > when
> > the existing audio covers all of the key visual elements like someone
> > reading all the text on the slide.
> >
> > Yes, this is covered at length in the audio descriptions section of
> > the article.
> >
> > > And the AD section verbiage ("not common", "gaining popularity",
> > > etc.)
> > on this page
> >
> > These are accurate statements.
> >
> > > seems to minimize its value and treats this as a nice-to-have by
> > creating the perception that no one else is doing it.
> >
> > The intent is to make it clear that they aren't common, not that they
> > aren't important - many reading the article have likely never heard
> > the term "audio description" before.
> >
> > > ADs are not merely "helpful" only if convenient to provide or
> > > something
> > fashionable/popular.
> >
> > Yes, the article stresses their importance - and encourages better
> > media production so as to avoid the need for audio description.
> >
> > > Is it time to update this page to accurately emphasize the need and
> > required compliance of ADs?
> >
> > I've added some additional content and made some tweaks to better
> > emphasize this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jared
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > >
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >