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From: Philip Kiff
Date: Dec 18, 2020 10:03AM

I have had many troubles with Tables of Contents and have found that the
AxesPDF QuickFix solution is usually a good one - though I found very
little documentation on how to use this feature correctly, and still
find it a bit of trial and error to get it right.

Ilana wrote:

> We've also tried another option which is to create proper links in Word and when exported to PDF we get similar results but the proviso is to make sure the user is in scroll view.

I wasn't aware of the limitation with the scroll view, but I have also
found that if you use an automatically generated Table of Contents in
Microsoft Word (one that is not edited at all after generating it), then
the ToC links seem to take screen readers to the correct heading
location within a page.

But you cannot make any edits to those links after you generate the PDF.
If you later need to edit links in a PDF generated this way, then the
destination no longer works and sometimes the link breaks entirely, so
you have to create new destinations for each link again manually. Which,
as Steve points out, can be very very laborious. I sometimes work with
documents that have Tables of Contents with 100 or more links, running
several pages long.

Phil.

On 2020-12-18 10:50, <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:
> Good to know, thank you. And, without that tool, you're saying it's very time consuming to enable the TOC links to work correctly for screen reader users?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Katie Frederick, Program Administrator
> Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired
> Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Steve Green
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 10:48 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] TOC Hyperlinks question
>
> Sadly, axesPDF is very expensive. However, it's well worth the cost if you do a lot of PDF remediation.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Sent: 18 December 2020 15:46
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] TOC Hyperlinks question
>
> Thank you for this question and information. I too have been trying to figure this out; as I am working on a PDF document. Is AxesPDF free?
>
> Katie Frederick, Program Administrator
> Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Steve Green
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 10:34 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] TOC Hyperlinks question
>
> Yes, the reading starts from that point. I only use "single page view" and the links work fine in that view. I see no reason why they wouldn't also work in "scroll view".
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Ilana Gordon
> Sent: 18 December 2020 15:26
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] TOC Hyperlinks question
>
> Thanks Steve.
>
> We've also tried another option which is to create proper links in Word and when exported to PDF we get similar results but the proviso is to make sure the user is in scroll view.
>
> We have axesPDF. Are you saying that if we do it the way you suggest the reading will start from that point?
>
> Thanks,
> Ilana
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:09 AM Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
>> The "Open a PDF file to a set destination" section of the link that
>> Daniel provided does do what you want, but you need to set your TOC
>> links to point to the destinations rather than pages.
>>
>> However, it is very time consuming to set up all the destinations one
>> at a time, so we use axesPDF QuickFix to automatically create them
>> from the headings all at once. You still need to fix all the TOC
>> links, but that takes no time at all.
>>
>> Steve Green
>> Managing Director
>> Test Partners Ltd
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of
>> Ilana Gordon
>> Sent: 18 December 2020 15:01
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] TOC Hyperlinks question
>>
>> Thanks but that's not it. The request is a link in the table of
>> contents that takes the reader to the beginning of the specific
>> section or subhead within a section and begins to read. This
>> particular TOC doesn't have page numbers but the list of the many
>> sections within the document. Some pages have multiple subheads on the
>> same page. They want the reading to start when taken to the link to a specific subhead within a specific page.
>>
>> Ilana
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 9:55 AM Swift, Daniel P. < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>
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>>> Daniel Swift, MBA
>>> Senior Web Specialist
>>> University Communications and Marketing West Chester University
>>> 610.738.0589
>>>
>>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf
>>> Of Ilana Gordon
>>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 9:49 AM
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Subject: [WebAIM] TOC Hyperlinks question
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> A government client is complaining about hyperlinks not going to the
>>> specific place on a page in a PDF. In other words, they want the
>>> reading to begin at a specific place. As far as I know that is not
>> possible.
>>> If anyone has had this request and has some way to carry it out, I'd
>>> love to know how to fulfill their request.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ilana
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ilana Gordon
>>> CEO
>>> Word Wizards, Inc
>>> 8609 2nd Avenue, Unit 406-B
>>> Silver Spring, MD 20910
>>> *v.*301-986-0808 *fax.*301-986-0809
>>> *Direct: 240-380-2639*
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>>
>> --
>> Ilana Gordon
>> CEO
>> Word Wizards, Inc
>> 8609 2nd Avenue, Unit 406-B
>> Silver Spring, MD 20910
>> *v.*301-986-0808 *fax.*301-986-0809
>> *Direct: 240-380-2639*
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> --
> Ilana Gordon
> CEO
> Word Wizards, Inc
> 8609 2nd Avenue, Unit 406-B
> Silver Spring, MD 20910
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> *Direct: 240-380-2639*
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