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From: Sandy Feldman
Date: May 26, 2022 9:39AM

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<p>"forcing them to use this product until they can navigate to turn
it off" and it's the last miserable thing on the screen to get
focus.<br>
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<div class=3D"moz-signature">Sandy
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-05-26 11:33 a.m., Andy Andrews=

wrote:<br>
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<pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">I agree with what Doug has m=
entioned. I would add that one of the many issues with this product is th=
at it automatically detects a screen reader and turns the product on with=
out any prompting from the user. Basically accessible is forcing them to =
use this product until they can navigate to turn it off. That is a good w=
ay to piss someone off enough to never come back to your site if they don=
't need to.



Also the vision adjustment and the ADHD adjustment were exactly the same =
(really bright, super saturated colors) except the ADHD adjustment added =
a dark grey "focus" filter.



Andy


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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [EXTERNAL] - AccessiBe! Help!!


Douglass,

Really good point about the skipped heading levels - thank you.

I just "WAVED" both versions and there are 10 alerts on the AccessiBe one=
and 0 on the AccessiBe free one. I can use that.

My feeling - like yours - is that the site doesn't need an overlay, even =
if overlays worked. I would like it gone. I worked very hard on making it=
accessible. I had lots of testing by the IMAGE community. I think it wor=
ks.

Some errors have slipped in as it's been updated by the client, but bette=
r to review the site and fix them than to add an overlay!
Sandy

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On 2022-05-26 11:04 a.m., Hayman, Douglass wrote:

Sandy,



What exactly is the overlay offering or enhancing for people with disabil=
ities?



Would a full time screen reader user turn her/his screen reader off to us=
e the overlay one instead? Would they even know what the keyboard comman=
ds are that this other screen reader uses?



Since the page has no animation is there a need to offer something to sto=
p animation, especially as an overlay only works on the web site where it=
is installed and not universally across all web pages?



Can't the user just make use of Command/Control plus or minus to increase=
font size on their own for all sites and not just this site? If they re=
gularly need to change fonts, color schemes, spacing and so on would they=
only do that on your client's site and not on all web sites they visit? =
Wouldn't they buy and use such assistive technology to do those actions =
on all web sites?



The web site doesn't appear to have seizure inducing content so toggling =
that on/off wouldn't do anything.



Is the web site not already navigable using only the keyboard or does the=
overlay provide an enhancement to that?



On quick check with WAVE and ANDI the heading levels get called out as th=
ere is the unconventional use of H5 tags on those horizontal line separat=
ors, called out for skipping heading levels.



What do the ADHD and cognitive elements of the overlay truly do?



Overall, what does the overlay provide that isn't already there? With th=
e overlay removed, who is limited in access due to the absence?



Doug Hayman

IT Accessibility Coordinator

Information Technology

Olympic College

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [WebAIM] AccessiBe! Help!!



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of phishing and social engineering!





hey all,



I'd really appreciate your help with this.



A client has been pressured into adding AccessiBe to their site imagemd.o=
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abling it.



Thank you so much!

--

Sandy



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