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From: Pamela Parker
Date: Jul 14, 2004 7:19AM

Please remove my address from this list. Thank you!

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WebAIM Discussion List Digest 14.07.2004.
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Subject: Re: WebAIM Discussion List Digest 13.07.2004.
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:02:42 -0600

I will be at the AHEAD conference in Miami, July 13-16. However, I will
be checking email and voicemail and will get back to you as soon as
possible.

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Subject: Re: synchronized captioning for windows media file -
intermittently working
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:33:08 -0600

> Thanks Andrew. I tried using the full urls but it still doesn't seem
to
> be sending the sami file with the video file.

I'm seeing text on WMP 8 on Windows XP machine and on WMP 7.1 on OSX.

This would be a lot easier to test with a file that wasn't so huge.
242Mbps
for a video that is several minutes in length is a lot to expect
end-users
to download...

AWK

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Andrew Kirkpatrick
Project Manager, WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
125 Western Ave.
Boston, MA 02134

617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
617-300-2489 (TTY)

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: synchronized captioning for windows media file -
intermittently working
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:20:40 -0600

Thanks Andrew! I agree it's a very large file to download - the video
is part of an interactive CD. That's strange that it works on a WMP 8
player. I've been testing with WMP 9 and have had no luck. Are there
any known workarounds to get it to play on all the players?

What is the recommended solution? I've talked to a few folks and they
recommended using Flash instead. Is that a better solution to ensure
accessibility for the majority?

Andrew thanks again for the information.

Thanks!

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From: andrew_kirkpatrick [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:30 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] synchronized captioning for windows media file -
intermittently working



> Thanks Andrew. I tried using the full urls but it still doesn't seem
> to be sending the sami file with the video file.

I'm seeing text on WMP 8 on Windows XP machine and on WMP 7.1 on OSX.

This would be a lot easier to test with a file that wasn't so huge.
242Mbps for a video that is several minutes in length is a lot to expect
end-users to download...

AWK

--
Andrew Kirkpatrick
Project Manager, WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
125 Western Ave.
Boston, MA 02134

617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
617-300-2489 (TTY)

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Flash into
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:51:11 -0600

I wondered what would be the best approach to adding a flash into to a
site in respect to accessibility. I thought having it pop up in a
smaller window would be much better than having it as the entrance
page.

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: Flash into
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:40:22 -0600

Earl asked:

>I wondered what would be the best approach to adding a flash into to a
>site in respect to accessibility. I thought having it pop up in a
>smaller window would be much better than having it as the entrance
>page.


I like the discretionary use of Flash, Earl. Rather than an automatic
pop-up that could be confusing, I'd suggest placing a link to the
Flash Intro on your main page. I think this method beats the standard
practice of dumping Flash on someone, then hiding a link to "Skip"
right in the animation. If you feel that you need to load it in a
pop-up, clearly warn users that it loads in a new window.

It might be interesting to see how many users actually load it.

--
David R. Stong
Microcomputer Information Specialist (Graphic Designer),
Education Technology Services, a unit of
Teaching and Learning with Technology
Information Technology Services
The Pennsylvania State University
Phone 8148651843

212 Rider Building II
227 W Beaver Avenue
State College, PA 16801-4819

Working for Universal Design:
http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/accessibility

Download Penn State's visual identity marks:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/drs18/mark.html

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: Flash into
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:47:39 -0600

Do browsers such as Lynx and Amaya even show a pop up? I've only used
the Lynx viewer and it did not seem like it even recognized the
javascript to create a pop up.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:37:05 -0400, drs18 wrote:
>
> Earl asked:
>
>
>
> >I wondered what would be the best approach to adding a flash into to
a
> >site in respect to accessibility. I thought having it pop up in a
> >smaller window would be much better than having it as the entrance
> >page.
>
>
> I like the discretionary use of Flash, Earl. Rather than an automatic
> pop-up that could be confusing, I'd suggest placing a link to the
> Flash Intro on your main page. I think this method beats the standard
> practice of dumping Flash on someone, then hiding a link to "Skip"
> right in the animation. If you feel that you need to load it in a
> pop-up, clearly warn users that it loads in a new window.
>
> It might be interesting to see how many users actually load it.
>
> --
> David R. Stong
> Microcomputer Information Specialist (Graphic Designer),
> Education Technology Services, a unit of
> Teaching and Learning with Technology
> Information Technology Services
> The Pennsylvania State University
> Phone 8148651843
>
> 212 Rider Building II
> 227 W Beaver Avenue
> State College, PA 16801-4819
>
> Working for Universal Design:
http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/accessibility
>
> Download Penn State's visual identity marks:
> http://www.personal.psu.edu/drs18/mark.html
>
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> To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://www.webaim.org/discussion/
>
>

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: Flash into
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:19:02 -0600

earl.machen wrote:

>Do browsers such as Lynx and Amaya even show a pop up? I've only used
>the Lynx viewer and it did not seem like it even recognized the
>javascript to create a pop up.
>
>
They don't support Javascript at all. Links with a different target
would open in the same instance, they don't have "windows" as it is.

As to your issue, I'd add a skip intro link in the HTML, not in the
flash itself and add a textual replacement in the object tag, not open
the flash in a popup at all. Flash tunnels are 1999 design as it is, and

automatic popups will be blocked by most browsers these days. I had a
real nightmare recently getting flash accessible without a "choose
flash or HTML site" for a big client, and can say without hesitation
that Flash might be possible to be accessible in the movie itself, but
the browser support of the correct HTML is dire. Safari and Opera show
the object alternative content together with the flash movie, and most
techniques provided by Macromedia are either not validating or simply
dependent on Javascript.

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: navigating applets
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:28:25 -0600

Giacomo

You may want to post your question to a Java accessibility related forum
or
the Java access listserv (a very helpful resource).

forum url: http://forum.java.sun.com/

listserv url: http://archives.java.sun.com/archives/java-access.html

I have posted similar questions before with no luck, but it has been a
while and it never hurts to try again. Maybe someone has found a good
solution.

Good luck.
Shane Anderson
WebAIM.org

At 09:48 PM 7/9/2004, you wrote:

>Thanks for your help
>
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