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From: Brooks Newton
Date: Jan 4, 2023 8:50AM

For Glen or anyone else who's got a perspective to share: In instances
where a particular drag and drop interface isn't keyboard accessible, what
instructions (if any) are required to guide users to the accessible version
of the controls? Does this type of scenario fall under the "Conforming
Alternate Versions
<https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/conformance#conforming-alt-versions>"
exception in the WCAG Understanding documentation?

What instructions are required to give users with disabilities a clearly
discernible and accessible path to the page controls that keyboard only
users will be able to use?

Brooks




On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 4:19 AM Detlev Fischer < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:

> That DnD does not have to be accessible for pointer users (mouse, touch)
> may no longer be true if and when the draft WCAG Success Criterion 2.5.7
> Dragging Movements https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#dragging-movements
> becomes a W3C recommendation. This specfically asks for an alternative
> to DnD where the underlying function can be activated by single pointer
> inputs - independent of the question whether an alternative for keyboard
> operation exists. (When a keyboard-operable alternative such as a
> dropdowen is also pointer operable, it may satisfy both 2.1.1 Keyboard
> and 2.5.7 Dragging Movements).
>
> Am 03.01.2023 um 20:14 schrieb Brian Lovely via WebAIM-Forum:
> > As far as what Glen said:
> >
> > Not a specific answer but keep in mind that DnD does not
> necessarily
> > have
> > to be accessible. If DnD is used to perform an action, say, to reorder a
> > list, then as long as there is a keyboard way to reorder that list, then
> > you're ok. It's nice to make DnD accessible but it's not required.
> >
> > The problem I'm having is that this is already designed, so I have to
> come
> > up with a solution that doesn't look any different. There aren't any
> > up/down buttons in the design, so I'm trying for an accessible drag and
> > drop solution.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 2:10 PM glen walker < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
> >
> >> Not a specific answer but keep in mind that DnD does not necessarily
> have
> >> to be accessible. If DnD is used to perform an action, say, to reorder
> a
> >> list, then as long as there is a keyboard way to reorder that list, then
> >> you're ok. It's nice to make DnD accessible but it's not required.
> >>
> >> With Safari on iOS/iPad, if you have multiple websites open, the tabs in
> >> the browser can be rearranged by dragging them. With VoiceOver on it
> says
> >> they're a "tab" widget and then says "double tap and hold, then move
> left
> >> or right to re-order." It actually works pretty well with VoiceOver.
> VO
> >> will tell you the names of the other tabs as you move before or after
> them.
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