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Re: [iOS app] acctivate button inside tile

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From: Graham Armfield
Date: Nov 23, 2023 7:59AM

That's useful to know, thanks. But I was actually thinking about sighted
keyboard users - how they would get to the full-tile and button interactive
elements in the app with a bluetooth keyboard. Is focus clear on these
things?

It may well be clear, but I ask as the app seemingly has an interactive
element inside another interactive element - like a button inside a link.
This can sometimes be a challenge for keyboard users.

Regards
Graham Armfield



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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 15:52, Jonathan Cohn < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> VoiceOver has a "QuickNav" mode where the arrow keys act just like swipe
> actions. Does this answer your question?
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 8:44 AM David Farough < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I am only guessing here, but if an additional swipe takes you to the
> > button, then it should be reachable using the right arrow key.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of
> > Graham Armfield
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 7:45 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [iOS app] acctivate button inside tile
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I know the discussion so far has focused on Voiceover users and
> > differentiating between multiple interactive elements. But I'm also
> > wondering about the experience for keyboard users who have hooked up
> their
> > Bluetooth keyboards to their iPhone. How do they differentiate between
> the
> > items?
> >
> > Regards
> > Graham Armfield
> > Coolfields Consulting
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Nov 2023, 6:14 pm Malthe Jepsen, < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> > > That's an excellent question. For what it's worth I love the
> > > flexibility of VoiceOver actions in the rotor, as it minimizes the
> > > amount of elements in the focus order, which makes navigation through
> > > dynamic content, such as a feed, much more efficient, as it requires
> > les swipes per new item.
> > > I would advocate for including the secondary actions, such as "add to
> > > favorites", in the rotor.
> > > Lots of other apps do this, including Apple's own phone and mail apps.
> > > Regarding your question about it being announced late in the reading
> > flow:
> > > This is VoiceOver standard behaviour, so hopefully the user will catch
> > > it or attempt engaging the rotor. You can also add an accessibility
> > > hint to the item in question to emphasize that the rotor can be used
> > here.
> > > Keep in mind that this is just my personal opinion.
> > >
> > > Best
> > > Malthe
> > > > On 20 Nov 2023, at 14.02, Bart Simons < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > We test the accessibility of an iOS app. There are tiles with a
> > > relatively long information. You click the tile to perform an action.
> > > But the tile also contains a button that triggers a different action
> > > such as an "Info" icon that provides more information or an asterisk
> > > to mark as favorite.
> > > >
> > > > The developers have grouped the information so that VoiceOver reads
> > > > the
> > > whole tile content in one go and no need for multiple swipe actions to
> > > read the tile's content. This is helpful as not to loose context.
> > > >
> > > > But the developers say that they don't know to make the button
> > > > inside
> > > the tile accessible. Ideally it can be reached with the next swipe but
> > > developers say they cannot focus a button that is part of a tile that
> > > in itself is clickable.
> > > >
> > > > Is there really no way to do that?
> > > >
> > > > They propose to add a custom action to the tile. Swiping down with
> > > VoiceOver would then provide access to "more info" or "mark as
> favorite".
> > > >
> > > > I have a few remarks on this:
> > > > VoiceOver announces the existence of custom actions only after
> > > > reading
> > > the relatively long information in the tile. It is very likely that a
> > > VoiceOVer user will not listen until the end and thus not discover the
> > > message that custom actions are available.
> > > >
> > > > I think that custom actions are meant as shortcuts to provide quick
> > > access to actions that also can be performed in another way. Is it
> > > acceptable that a function is only available through a custom action?
> > > >
> > > > Do you know of a better soulution to, on the one hand group
> > > > information
> > > in a clickable tile but on the other hand also provide access to a
> > > button inside the tile?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > >
> > > > Bart Simons
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