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From: Ro
Date: Oct 25, 2010 7:18PM

Wow haha, I think the problem you're having is using the tab key. I
never tab. I know in Jaws you do, but with Voiceover, you use the VO
keys to navigate, they being control and option together, plus your
arrow keys. So that might be part of the problem that you're having,
because I have more access than that for the comments. Thanks for
looking!

~Randi and Guide Dog Jayden

Its an adventure, said Fred.

On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Cliff Tyllick wrote:

> Well, Randi, it looks like I have a lot to learn about using
> VoiceOver. I couldn't get it to work smoothly with either Firefox or
> Safari. It announces page titles, but then tells me the close button
> is there, and that's it.
>
> But with or without VoiceOver, I can't operate the comment system
> with keyboard only. I can comment on a post, but I can't even get
> into the other comments to find out what others have said. Once I
> post my comment, I'm right back in the comment box, and tabbing does
> nothing but take me through it in a closed loop. Once I get to the
> "Post" button, hitting Return and hitting Tab is the same except
> that Return posts a comment. As soon as my comment is posted, the
> focus cycles back up to the "Login" field (which seems to be just a
> place for your name, not a true login field) in the comment form. If
> I try to tab past the box without commenting, the focus follows the
> same cycle. The only difference is that it skips from "Post" back to
> "Login" without posting a comment.
>
> I wonder if this form depends on some of the nonstandard behavior of
> IE to operate. That would explain why standards-compliant browsers
> can't operate it, wouldn't it?
>
> Cliff
>
>>>> Ro < <EMAIL REMOVED> > 10/25/10 4:10 PM >>>
> Patrick, thank you for that info about the buttons. I was thinking it
> had to be something along those lines. Looks like Jaws can still see
> it but Voiceover can't. I'm looking forward to what the other
> Voiceover person has to say because if it's just me, I won't keep
> bugging Echo. I'm do for an overhaul anyway. However, that still seems
> like an issue from an accessibility standpoint that should be
> addressed.
>
> Carin, did you get Patrick's message? We should save that and show the
> Echo peeps.
>
> ~Randi and Guide Dog Jayden
>
> For me, acceptance was the first step towards recovery.
>
> On Oct 25, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Patrick Burke wrote:
>
>> Not much to go on, but the critical code in question is apparently
>> drawn in from somewhere else & does not show up with View Source. The
>> whole thing is a wild festival of Javascript.
>>
>> The only clue I can give is that "Post" & "Cancel" are announced (by
>> Jaws in Windows) as buttons. "Follow" & "Echo" (with its sublist of
>> options nearby) are only reported as "clickable", but not as buttons
>> or links. So it would appear that the Echo system has defined mouse
>> events for these items & left out keyboard access. Device-independent
>> event handlers are usually best.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> At 01:28 PM 10/25/2010, Carin Headrick wrote:
>>> You said you also had trouble hitting reply from within a thread,
>>> right?
>>>
>>> I'm one of the blog authors, and I have felt helpless to help her,
>>> so
>>> for now, we've been sending her comments to her manually by email.
>>> But
>>> human errors do tend to happen.
>>>
>>> Really hopin' for some info so we can also pass it on to Echo since
>>> we
>>> kinda pay for their service.
>>>
>>> Carin
>>>
>>> On 25/10/2010 11:42 AM, Ro wrote:
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> If there are any Apple users with Leopard or Snow, can I get your
>>>> help
>>>> with something? One of my favorite blogs uses Echo's commenting
>>>> system. To follow comments, you can just click "follow", enter your
>>>> email, and then you can reply to comments by email. It's really
>>>> nice,
>>>> but since one of the latest Safari updates, the word "follow" does
>>>> nothing. I've tried using group mode in Leopard to no avail.
>>>>
>>>> The Echo CEO actually suggested I get a PC user to enter my email
>>>> address for me. Wow. He says it works from on his Mac OS 10, which
>>>> is
>>>> great but he's not using Voiceover. Can someone go check it out,
>>>> just
>>>> arrow down until you find the comment field, keep going until you
>>>> hear
>>>> "follow", click it and see if you get an option to enter an
>>>> email? I
>>>> want to know if this is something weird with my computer alone
>>>> before
>>>> I respond to the Echo guy some more.
>>>>
>>>> If you're so inclined also, if you think you might know what the
>>>> problem is and if there's a fix, that would be great too because
>>>> then
>>>> I could tell them.
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping I'd never have to bring this here, but I don't know
>>>> what
>>>> else to do.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a post to test the comments:
>>>>
>>>> http://vomitcomet.blogspot.com/2010/10/i-got-world-series-i-wanted.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance...
>>>>
>>>> ~Randi and Guide Dog Jayden
>>>>
>>>> http://raynaadi.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> --
>> Patrick J. Burke
>>
>> Coordinator
>> UCLA Disabilities &
>> Computing Program
>>
>> Phone: 310 206-6004
>> E-mail: burke <at> ucla. edu
>> Department Contact: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>
>>