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From: Ro
Date: Oct 25, 2010 7:24PM

Oh and Cliff, Voiceover won't work with FF. You are stuck with
Safari. :)

~Randi and Guide Dog Jayden

Its an adventure, said Fred.

On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Cliff Tyllick wrote:

> Well, Randi, it looks like I have a lot to learn about using
> VoiceOver. I couldn't get it to work smoothly with either Firefox or
> Safari. It announces page titles, but then tells me the close button
> is there, and that's it.
>
> But with or without VoiceOver, I can't operate the comment system
> with keyboard only. I can comment on a post, but I can't even get
> into the other comments to find out what others have said. Once I
> post my comment, I'm right back in the comment box, and tabbing does
> nothing but take me through it in a closed loop. Once I get to the
> "Post" button, hitting Return and hitting Tab is the same except
> that Return posts a comment. As soon as my comment is posted, the
> focus cycles back up to the "Login" field (which seems to be just a
> place for your name, not a true login field) in the comment form. If
> I try to tab past the box without commenting, the focus follows the
> same cycle. The only difference is that it skips from "Post" back to
> "Login" without posting a comment.
>
> I wonder if this form depends on some of the nonstandard behavior of
> IE to operate. That would explain why standards-compliant browsers
> can't operate it, wouldn't it?
>
> Cliff
>
>>>> Ro < <EMAIL REMOVED> > 10/25/10 4:10 PM >>>
> Patrick, thank you for that info about the buttons. I was thinking it
> had to be something along those lines. Looks like Jaws can still see
> it but Voiceover can't. I'm looking forward to what the other
> Voiceover person has to say because if it's just me, I won't keep
> bugging Echo. I'm do for an overhaul anyway. However, that still seems
> like an issue from an accessibility standpoint that should be
> addressed.
>
> Carin, did you get Patrick's message? We should save that and show the
> Echo peeps.
>
> ~Randi and Guide Dog Jayden
>
> For me, acceptance was the first step towards recovery.
>
> On Oct 25, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Patrick Burke wrote:
>
>> Not much to go on, but the critical code in question is apparently
>> drawn in from somewhere else & does not show up with View Source. The
>> whole thing is a wild festival of Javascript.
>>
>> The only clue I can give is that "Post" & "Cancel" are announced (by
>> Jaws in Windows) as buttons. "Follow" & "Echo" (with its sublist of
>> options nearby) are only reported as "clickable", but not as buttons
>> or links. So it would appear that the Echo system has defined mouse
>> events for these items & left out keyboard access. Device-independent
>> event handlers are usually best.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> At 01:28 PM 10/25/2010, Carin Headrick wrote:
>>> You said you also had trouble hitting reply from within a thread,
>>> right?
>>>
>>> I'm one of the blog authors, and I have felt helpless to help her,
>>> so
>>> for now, we've been sending her comments to her manually by email.
>>> But
>>> human errors do tend to happen.
>>>
>>> Really hopin' for some info so we can also pass it on to Echo since
>>> we
>>> kinda pay for their service.
>>>
>>> Carin
>>>
>>> On 25/10/2010 11:42 AM, Ro wrote:
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> If there are any Apple users with Leopard or Snow, can I get your
>>>> help
>>>> with something? One of my favorite blogs uses Echo's commenting
>>>> system. To follow comments, you can just click "follow", enter your
>>>> email, and then you can reply to comments by email. It's really
>>>> nice,
>>>> but since one of the latest Safari updates, the word "follow" does
>>>> nothing. I've tried using group mode in Leopard to no avail.
>>>>
>>>> The Echo CEO actually suggested I get a PC user to enter my email
>>>> address for me. Wow. He says it works from on his Mac OS 10, which
>>>> is
>>>> great but he's not using Voiceover. Can someone go check it out,
>>>> just
>>>> arrow down until you find the comment field, keep going until you
>>>> hear
>>>> "follow", click it and see if you get an option to enter an
>>>> email? I
>>>> want to know if this is something weird with my computer alone
>>>> before
>>>> I respond to the Echo guy some more.
>>>>
>>>> If you're so inclined also, if you think you might know what the
>>>> problem is and if there's a fix, that would be great too because
>>>> then
>>>> I could tell them.
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping I'd never have to bring this here, but I don't know
>>>> what
>>>> else to do.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a post to test the comments:
>>>>
>>>> http://vomitcomet.blogspot.com/2010/10/i-got-world-series-i-wanted.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance...
>>>>
>>>> ~Randi and Guide Dog Jayden
>>>>
>>>> http://raynaadi.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> --
>> Patrick J. Burke
>>
>> Coordinator
>> UCLA Disabilities &
>> Computing Program
>>
>> Phone: 310 206-6004
>> E-mail: burke <at> ucla. edu
>> Department Contact: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>
>>