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Re: Making A Better CAPTCHA For the Visually Impaired And Making Captions More Available To The Hearing Impaired

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From: Lucy Greco
Date: Apr 17, 2013 8:06PM

Hello:
I was in a hurry earlier and forgot to say I really do want this to work
and I will be your tester. Just send me anything you have and I can tell
you how it works I will even screen cast to show you how it works this is
a very important and ambitious project I really want it to work Lucy

Lucia Greco
Web Access Analyst
IST-Campus Technology Services
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces

-----Original Message-----
From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of samir menon
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:42 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Making A Better CAPTCHA For the Visually Impaired
And Making Captions More Available To The Hearing Impaired

Thanks so much for the feedback Elle!
You're right in saying that there definitely a bunch of ways I can make
the site more accesible. In some ways, it's a bit hypocritical of me to
have a page with such poor accessibility when my project is, in itself,
about making the web more accessible. I really like the accesible audio
player example that you sent me, so I'll probably try to use that to
ensure that everyone on every browser can hear the CAPTCHA.

I'll work on those issues tonight and tomorrow evening, and in addition to
what you mentioned, try actually using the page using a screenreader. I'll
update everyone when I finish.

Thanks,
~Samir



On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Elle < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Samir:
>
> I believe I understand why Lucy's experiencing some problems accessing
> your audio content. There are some technical accessibility issues with
> your page that need to be addressed first before you will get much out
> of user testing. After just a few minutes, here are some starting
> points to fix the page, things that I would consider must-have support
features:
>
>
> - *Perceivable:* I recommend some more browser testing if you want
this
> to be a popular alternative to CAPTCHA solutions in use today. Using
> Windows, Firefox 20, the audio player does not visually display
> (screenshot
> of page:http://i.imgur.com/Qef7IVL.png).
>
> - *Operable:* The audio player is not keyboard accessible using
Chrome
> 26, Firefox 20, or Internet Explorer 10. Some recommended reading on
> keyboard accessibility, ARIA, and focus path (because I suspect
> that will
> be the next hurdle for you):
> -- Terrill Thompson's accessible audio player (just tested it again,
> still working for me!): http://www.terrillthompson.com/music/aap/
> -- ARIA best practices (and focus path management):
> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/
>
> - *Understandable:* The label for the text entry is missing a FOR
> attribute that will tie it to the input field's ID attribute. These
two
> elements must be associated programmatically in order for all users
to
> understand their relationship. For example, instead
> of <label>Caption:</label>, you should have <label
> for="responsenew">Caption:</label> where "responsenew" is the ID
> attribute
> for the text input field.
>
> - *Robust:* I think it would be beneficial if you did consider
offering
> multiple ways that users could access the audio content. Your
suggestion
> about an MP3 may be the answer. Either way, please ensure that your
> CAPTCHA
> does not depend on a very specific combination of browsers,
> technologies,
> or assistive technology to support it.
>
>
> Again, that wasn't a full review or anything, but I figured it would
> help to provide you some initial technical feedback before you run
> into any more problems.
>
>
> All the best,
> Elle
>
> If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the people to gather wood,
> divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the
> vast and endless sea.
> - Antoine De Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Elle < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Samir:
> >
> > I just wanted to tell you, as someone who has been a rather
> > outspoken critic of CAPTCHAs, that I find your project idea really
> > creative and inspiring. Once the technical pieces are worked out, I
> > look forward to seeing how it will both benefit the groups of users
> > that you mentioned
> and
> > hopefully increase the overall usability of CAPTCHA for everyone.
> > In short, what a cool idea!
> >
> > I'll do a little testing and provide some feedback shortly.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Elle
> >
> > If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the people to gather
> > wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn
> > for the
> vast
> > and endless sea.
> > - Antoine De Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:
> >
> >> Hello:
> >> I can't find a way to hear the audio I find a here link on the
> >> page and edit field to put the answer in and a check answer button
> >> and a give up button how do I play the audio Lucy
> >>
> >> Lucia Greco
> >> Web Access Analyst
> >> IST-Campus Technology Services
> >> University of California, Berkeley
> >> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> >> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> >> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of samir
> >> menon
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:21 PM
> >> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >> Subject: [WebAIM] Making A Better CAPTCHA For the Visually Impaired
> >> And Making Captions More Available To The Hearing Impaired
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I'm Samir, a 10th grade web developer and I am working on a Google
> Science
> >> Fair Project to create a better CAPTCHA for the visually impaired.
> >> As
> you
> >> may know, current audio CAPTCHAs are very difficult, take a long
> >> time,
> and
> >> tend to discourage many visually impaired web users from
> >> participating
> in
> >> online discussion. Not only is the solution I have developed an
> >> easier audio CAPTCHA, but also uses the work of those who fill out
> >> the CAPTCHAs to provide captions to videos online for the deaf. In
> >> that way, my
> project
> >> helps make the web more accesible for both the visually impaired
> >> and the hearing impaired.
> >>
> >> Essentially, I take videos online, split them into chunks, and take
> >> the ones that the computer has trouble with and present them to
> >> users as CAPTCHA puzzles. I compare their responses to the
> >> responses of others to verify they are human. You can read the full
> >> explanation and help me
> test
> >> the system
> >> here<
> >> http://t-oss.com/why_the_audio_recaptcha_is_terrible_and_how_it_can
> >> _b
> >> e_fixed.html<
> http://t-oss.com/why_the_audio_recaptcha_is_terrible_and_how_it_can_be
> _fixed.html
> >
> >> >
> >> [1].
> >>
> >> You can help me by testing the solution I have, and giving me any
> feedback
> >> you have. You can test the solution by clicking the button at the
> >> bottom of [1] or going here <http://t-oss.com/puzzle.php>; [2].
> >>
> >> Also, if you have any feedback, don't hesitate at all to tell me: I
> >> appreciate any and all feedback!
> >>
> >> Thanks so much!
> >> ~Samir Menon
> >>
> >> [1] -
> >>
> http://t-oss.com/why_the_audio_recaptcha_is_terrible_and_how_it_can_be
> _fix
> >> ed.html<
> http://t-oss.com/why_the_audio_recaptcha_is_terrible_and_how_it_can_be
> _fixed.html
> >
> >>
> >> [2] - http://t-oss.com/puzzle.php
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