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Re: Title Attribute speaking Right Language in Wrong accent, but the rest of the page is fine

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From: Steve Faulkner
Date: Oct 29, 2017 10:12AM

Hi All, please do file JAWS HTML/ARIA/CSS/SVG standards support issues on
https://github.com/FreedomScientific/VFO-standards-support/issues

We (at TPG) are working with our colleagues at Freedom Scientific to
improve standards support in JAWS and prioritise bug fixes.

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Regards

SteveF
Current Standards Work @W3C
<http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/>;

On 29 October 2017 at 09:44, Bim Egan < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Thank you for that JP,
>
> It explains a great deal. It'll also save vast amounts of time trying to
> analyse apparent errors. It's incredible that this hasn't been resolved by
> FS long ago.
>
> Strange too, they always seem keen to make inessential "improvements". You
> know, those that (probably unintentionally) make it harder for users to
> browse and read content, or increase the learning curve to transition to
> the
> latest version.
>
> It's extremely frustrating, so thanks for explaining *this* blunder so
> clearly,
>
> Bim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
> Of JP Jamous
> Sent: 29 October 2017 08:38
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Title Attribute speaking Right Language in Wrong
> accent, but the rest of the page is fine
>
> I do echo the response of those who would like to see screen readers do
> better with lang attributes. I have found that JAWS does not drill through
> various nested tags to look for lang attributes.
>
> For example, I had various sites with one link pointing to English, Spanish
> and Chinese content. It would be redundant to include multiple links with
> the same URL on the page. JAWS was only reading the first span inside the
> link label and defaulting to English.
>
> As I tried to make sense out of it, I noticed that JAWS was using the <a>
> lang attribute and applying it to all of the spans within the link label.
> It
> completely disregarded the spans that had the Spanish and Chinese. It read
> their content using English synthesizers.
>
> While that was proper HTML coding and I couldn't disagree with the
> developers, I was unable to get the right content spoken with the right
> synthesizer to our customers.
>
> Another thing I noticed about JAWS 18 was the claim that it now supports
> Arabic. That was a lie. I went to Arabic web sites and to my surprise, JAWS
> was still reading the content as a string of Arabic letters. There was no
> way to make out what it was saying.
>
> I wanted to mention this on here for those who might be coding something in
> Arabic. Do not expect JAWS to switch its synthesizer to an Arabic one that
> can assemble the letters and read from right to left. In fact, it would
> read
> the letters from left to right, which is wrong and makes no sense to the
> end
> user.
>
> VFO definitely needs to make some improvements with the way JAWS parses
> languages. There is a ton of problems in that area that are not being
> addressed. I cannot foresee a reason why a small program like VoiceOver on
> iOS can read Arabic quite well and would switch smoothly between languages,
> when a huge application like JAWS cannot. I won't buy it either that it is
> a
> Windows limitation. It is simply lack of interest, which has been bothering
> me for many years with JAWS. This is becoming more of a problem now that
> the
> web is imposing this restriction on JAWS and VFO is careless about it.
>
> If I sound a bit harsh, that's because VFO or FS have obtained many
> suggestions from me as a user. All of those suggestions were never taken in
> consideration when it came to altering synthesizers properly and supporting
> Arabic as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
> Of Sarah Jevnikar
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:19 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Title Attribute speaking Right Language in Wrong
> accent, but the rest of the page is fine
>
> Thanks David and JP,
> The sound schemes is a good idea, but I'm not sure it's fair to expect
> everyone who wants to use this site to have made those changes.
>
> I tried adding the language attribute (below), which didn't work, but I'm
> not sure what I'm doing wrong. Maybe it's in the wrong place?
>
> <a lang="fr-fr" title="Aller à la page 2" href="http://google.ca/">2</a>
>
> Any thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Sarah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
> Of David Farough
> Sent: October 26, 2017 12:34 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Title Attribute speaking Right Language in Wrong
> accent, but the rest of the page is fine
>
> You might want to take a look at the speech and sound schemes settings in
> Jaws.
>
> To access these:
> .Open the settings centre (jaws key plus 6 on the number row), . type sch
> in
> the search edit field, . press f6 to move focus to the right panel on the
> screen and activate the modify scheme button.
> .activate the edit scheme button,
>
> This is a multi-page dialogue which allows you to control the way that Jaws
> handles various controls, attributes and many other features.
>
> in the attributes page of this dialogue there is a setting that governs how
> link attributes are spoken.
>
>
> You can make Jaws use different voice aliases or play various sounds etc.
>
> The other area you might want to explore is the speech profiles.
>
> Here you can specify settings for the various speech or voice aliases.
>
>
> I suspect that your scheme settings may be switching voices and using a
> voice that is set to speak English text.
>
> You will probably have to do some experimentation with these settings.
>
> I do not know what you would need to do for NVDA.
>
> HTH
>
>
> David Farough
>
> Coordonnateur de l'accessibilité des applications, Services intégrés de
> gestion des TI Commission de la fonction publique du Canada / Gouvernement
> du Canada <EMAIL REMOVED> Tél: 819-420-8418 Télécopieur :
> 819-420-8408
>
> Application Accessibility Co-ordinator, Corporate IT Management Public
> Service Commission of Canada / Government of Canada
> <EMAIL REMOVED> Tel: 819-420-8418 / Fax: 819-420-8408
> >>> Sarah Jevnikar < <EMAIL REMOVED> > 10:00 AM Thursday, October
> 26, 2017 >>>
> Hi all,
> I'm testing a page with English and French versions with a screen reader.
> JAWS with NVDA, IE, Firefox and Chrome. Some of the links have title
> attributes for additional information. Though these are written in French,
> and the page itself has a French language attribute so is read in French
> properly, the title attributes are read with an English accent. Do title
> attributes require their own language attributes too, even if the page as a
> whole has the correct one?
>
> Any help you can provide is much appreciated.
>
> Merci!
> Sarah
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