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From: Philip Kiff
Date: Sep 20, 2019 7:52PM

Another quick follow-up.

> Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
> infrastructure in early 2020?
I think you're confusing the end of IE 10 with the end of IE 11. A
little web searching reminded me that MS has said that they will support
IE 11 though the life of the operating system it shipped with. Which
means that we'll still have IE 11 *years* from now, since it shipped
with Windows 10 (?). IE 10 is end-of-life in January 2020. I think we'll
find that many, many JAWS users continue to use IE 11 for several more
years. That's what they know, and that's what works. Why would they
change if they don't have to? Though I expect the market share to
decrease - especially as NVDA takes over as an incredibly hard-to-resist
free option.

I'll be interested to see the current state of browsers + screen readers
as reflected in the new WebAIM survey results due out soon!

Phil.

On 2019-09-20 21:20, Philip Kiff wrote:
>> (And indeed, if Microsoft manages to actually pull off a modern
>> browser that can smoothly switch between a Webkit rendering engine[....]
> Not Webkit, I meant Blink - the Chrome rendering engine that Edge is
> now using.
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2019-09-20 21:14, Philip Kiff wrote:
>>> Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
>>> infrastructure in early 2020?
>> Mmm. Good point, but is IE really disappearing in 2020?
>>
>> Like I say, I'm not really on top of the current news on this - I
>> only replied to this thread initially in order not to leave Sreekar
>> in the lurch without any responses. There are many folks on this list
>> who know considerably more than me about the state of screen readers
>> and browsers.
>>
>> But is IE really disappearing? There are still tons and tons of
>> intranets and custom applications that have been coded poorly and
>> will only work on IE. Those aren't going to disappear in 2020. I
>> thought that what Microsoft was planning on doing was somehow
>> magically incorporating an IE 11 emulator into Edge in order to
>> guarantee that all those crappy intranets will still work for several
>> more years while systems folk around the world scramble to recode
>> what should have never been coded in the first place, or to create
>> replacements that are written in proper, acceptable
>> standards-compliant and somewhat-accessible code.
>>
>> Aren't they even going to keep supporting IE 11 as an Enterprise
>> product for a while?
>>
>> If both those are true, then whether you call it Edge or IE 11, there
>> will be lots of sites that still have to work with it? But like I
>> say, I'm not sure if all that is true?
>>
>> (And indeed, if Microsoft manages to actually pull off a modern
>> browser that can smoothly switch between a Webkit rendering engine
>> and some crazy IE 11 emulator, then someone over in their coding
>> dept. will deserve considerable praise. But I wonder if all that will
>> really be possible.... :-)
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>> On 2019-09-20 17:25, David Engebretson Jr. wrote:
>>> Is JAWS and IE relevant anymore since IE will be poofed out of the MS
>>> infrastructure in early 2020?
>>>
>>> Just curious. Here's what I test with:
>>> Safari on IOS, and OSX
>>> NVDA with Firefox and Chrome
>>> JAWS with Firefox, Chrome, and Edge
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of
>>> Philip Kiff
>>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:12 AM
>>> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Browser and Screen Reader Combination
>>>
>>> Hi Sreekar,
>>>
>>> The WebAIM list has a search function you can use to see if topics
>>> have been
>>> covered before:
>>> https://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>>
>>> There have been many discussions about the best combinations of screen
>>> readers and browsers, for e.g.:
>>> Thread: Screen Reader Version & Browser Version Combination Matrix
>>> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread†98
>>>
>>> The best combination depends on several factors - including
>>> especially your
>>> target audience and what capacity you have for testing. Maybe your
>>> combination is right for you.
>>>
>>> Lots of folks seem to test with two or three of the following
>>> combinations:
>>> JAWS/Internet Explorer
>>> NVDA/Firefox
>>> Voiceover/Safari
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>> On 2019-09-20 12:52, Praunicorn wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Kindly help me with Browser and Screen Reader combination. I am using
>>> below mentioned combinations for my testing. Please let me know I am in
>>> right combination or not.
>>>> 1. Chrome  With  NVDA
>>>> 2. Edge  With Narrator
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sreekar.
>>>>
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